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  Praying before meals

  by teejay in

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  my jw wife is teaching my nearly-3yr old to pray before meals.

  i'm cool with that... doesn't bother me at all.

  the problem is, i'd like to accept my role as father but i don't know how to lead in this area.

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  Nathan Natas

  When your daughter asks about Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny, you'll probably have not much relutance in telling her that SC and EB are imaginary creatures and don't really exist.

  Why does the Jehovah sock-puppet deserve your hesitation?

  When your daughter comes home from school with stories about Zeus, Apollo and Diana, or Baal and Ormuzd you won't hesitate to tell her these are just stories made up by people long ago who didn't know how the world really worked, but NEEDED an "explanation".

  Same with the angry argicultural god of the Hebrews. Or am I mistaken?
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  will harmagedon ever come ?

  by eternal existent in

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  i wonder if harmagedon will ever come or if it is only a synonym for something other than jehovahs whitnesses believe.. please answer me in easy english because im not englishman and my english is not very good.. thank you.

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  Harmageddon came invisibly in 1975.
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  Does our little crusade matter to the world?

  by sleepy in

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  does our little crusade matter to the world?.

  considering jw's make up such a small part of the worlds population to what extent do our beefs with the organisation matter to anyone unconnected?.

  should our opinions of witness beliefs concern people more than witness themselves .should everyone have the right to make up there own mind and chose to be witnesses without us interfereing?.

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  Certainly to the majority of the population of the world, "our little crusade" means nothing, but that is not what matters.

  What is important is that we, the participants here, feel that this "matters" to us, and we know that just as we once were yet to be enlightened, so there are others to whom this will matter in the future, possibly millions more, as pointed out above who are sufferring abuse and loss of their lives because of Watchtower policies.
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  College

  by mikepence in

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  i am thinking about starting to take some courses, working toward my degree.

  i would appreciate some feedback.. on the one hand, i have made a successful career for myself as a highly paid computer professional, working for a variety of prominent companies here in the usa over the last 12 years.

  this, in spite of not going to college for reasons that you all understand.. to date, the only companies that cared that i did not have a degree, once i had a few years experience, were companies that worked with universities and higher education products.

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  Nathan Natas

  Since you have the technical background, I would suggest that perhaps pursuing a business-related program would make you even more valuable to your present and future employers. (You may also find it relatively easy work compared to the tech stuff.)

  Best wishes. Onward and upward!
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  For JWs: Ducking the Hard Questions

  by Room 215 in

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  ``i mean, what have they eery been right about?

  '' ``what have they ever done to merit such relfecxive, unflinching loyalty?''.

  these two questions i've posited several times to the apologists on this bards, with nary a response to date.

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  Nathan Natas

  I think that what was being overlooked here, as Alan F points out in the above post, is that the WTS has kept us all informed of the latest events in the invisible spirit realm, a realm to which mere mortal reporters have no access.

  The importance of such events should not be under-estimated.

  Watchtower, February 24th 2002:
  "Yesterday the ruling King of Kings and Lord of Lords had a ham sandwich for lunch. He said it was, 'Perfect.'"

  ...and around the world faithful Dubs, in their best Homer Simpson voice, mutter, "oooooo, hammmm" as they underline the words.
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  Bethel Doctor--Is it me, or was this odd??

  by Sherri in

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  i was at bethel with my now ex-husband in early 1982. at that time, they did a tb test as part of the physical when you started.

  mine came out positive for exposure (though i did not and have never had tb), probably because i had worked as a receptionist in a hospital x-ray department.. the weird bit is that the bethel doctor insisted on giving me a gynacological exam.

  as i was only 22 at the time, and butt-stupid, i went ahead and let him.

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  I find it odd that so many would doubt that the good doctor could discern the condition of the lungs while gazing into the vagina, under the direction of the holy spirit.

  O ye of little gullibility!
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  Good news for modern OBVEServers

  by unclebruce in

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  hey obves,.

  goodnews - i just crunched your numbers with biblemans numbers and broke the mathmatical equations down to iir2 .. let me double check the algebra ... x2 + x + 41 = prime number - xerxies x nabonidus + daniel 360 = jesus pies are squared.

  .. yep works every time .. break an equation down far enough and out pops old iir2.

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  Uncle,

  If we follow you, can we call ourselves "the lowest common denomination"?
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  What is Truth?

  by Victor_E in

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  since leaving the tower some seven years ago i took a leap building my wings of faith on the way down.

  i have enjoyed some of your posts on faith, truth, and lifes purpose yada yada yada.

  i have concluded that the truth about my existence lies somewhere in between being a hybrid human/alien product to being a son of god with a meaningful purpose.

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  Victory -

  1. How do you explain your existence and the afterlife?

  
  My existence: an individual product of the human reproductive imperative.

  Afterlife: WHAT"Afterlife"?
  I join the snuffed candle flames of eternity in etenity, with no personal awareness or consciousness. For an eternity before I was born I did not exist; for an eternity after I die I will not exist.

  2. What are the biggest lessons in your life you have had to learn?

  Don't trust preachers from Brooklyn; Momma ain't always right.

  3. What criteria do you use to accept a personal truth?

  Truth is congruent with observable reality.

  4. What past truths did you have to revise substituting them with what?

  I am not the 27th emanation of Ormuzd-zool. I am the 28th.

  5. What gives you the greatest satisfaction since leaving the Tower?

  Barbequed ribs and heffewiesen.

  6. If you summed up your life guiding principles you want to pass on to your children what are these?

  Religion is a snare and a racket.

  Here's one for you: what preconceptions were you not even aware of when you formulated these questions?
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  "I wish you a merry christmas "from t...

  by sleepy in

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  i wish you a merry christmas from the governing body.

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  Nathan Natas

  Looks like a bunch of dried fruits to me, Fred.
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  First time researching the WT organisation

  by oscartheduck in

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  i've not researched the organisation before in any true level of detail.. i left it about eight months back, after coming to my own conclusions regarding the accuracy of lots of things it has released.

  i simply believed that it was no longer printing anything worthwhile, really.

  it had contradicted itself too many times.. i was brought up in the religion, and was baptised at 14, and afterwards stayed in it for three years.

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  Nathan Natas

  All of the titles Fred suggested above can be found in the "False Prophecy" section of any good bookstore...